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	<title>Comments on: Modern Kids and TV</title>
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		<title>By: E.S.G.</title>
		<link>http://archives.frederatorblogs.com/channel_frederator/2007/06/20/modern-kids-and-tv/#comment-1987</link>
		<dc:creator>E.S.G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just my opinion, but I would like to add my 2 cents. I am going to agree with a few comments made here and in the original post (post 4117), however, I feel there is no 1 cause for the current trends in the industry, rather, it is a collection of factors simultaneously converging that is causing the current situation. I will discuss one of the more major ones here. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am going to agree with Floyd Bishop’s comment from post 4117, where he stated that “kids skew upwards in their watching patterns.” This is very true. A 7 year old will gladly watch a cartoon with content aimed at an 11 year old, but the opposite is not true. Perhaps some of the issues animation is facing come from the fact that the age for which animated content is produced has dropped significantly. In other words, when shows like Animaniacs were produced, the humor was written on a multifaceted level. This is a technique we currently see employed in films like Sherk. Essentially, a decent amount of the humor works on multiple levels: one for younger viewers, and one for older viewers. Kids are not oblivious to that, and that sort of writing, one which does not speak down to them, always seems to strike a chord. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And let’s not forget, many of the classics, including the old Warner Bros and Disney toons, were actually meant to run on the big screen before a movie, and therefore were designed to entertain multiple age demographics.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think one thing that needs to happen is some discernment between “age appropriate” and “intellectual age” in animation. Just because a cartoon is appropriate for a 6 year old to watch, does not mean the content’s intellectual level needs to be that of a 6 year old. There is a big difference between “intelligent humor” and “adult humor,” and I am afraid somewhere along the line that has been forgotten. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If I may be so bold, I will credit the success of shows like SpongeBob and Fairly Odd Parents to the fact that they are among the few animated kids shows left on television that employ this technique. They are shows that parents can enjoy watching with their children, because they can get some level of intellectual stimulation out of the shows. In fact, with FOP, some of the marital humor and banter between Cosmo and Wanda, (which I have heard a few people give the show some flack over) is one of the things that I have heard parents positively commenting on. Essentially, they state that they are surprised that jokes they can enjoy are found in a kid’s shows. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just my opinion, but I would like to add my 2 cents. I am going to agree with a few comments made here and in the original post (post 4117), however, I feel there is no 1 cause for the current trends in the industry, rather, it is a collection of factors simultaneously converging that is causing the current situation. I will discuss one of the more major ones here. </p>
<p>I am going to agree with Floyd Bishop’s comment from post 4117, where he stated that “kids skew upwards in their watching patterns.” This is very true. A 7 year old will gladly watch a cartoon with content aimed at an 11 year old, but the opposite is not true. Perhaps some of the issues animation is facing come from the fact that the age for which animated content is produced has dropped significantly. In other words, when shows like Animaniacs were produced, the humor was written on a multifaceted level. This is a technique we currently see employed in films like Sherk. Essentially, a decent amount of the humor works on multiple levels: one for younger viewers, and one for older viewers. Kids are not oblivious to that, and that sort of writing, one which does not speak down to them, always seems to strike a chord. </p>
<p>And let’s not forget, many of the classics, including the old Warner Bros and Disney toons, were actually meant to run on the big screen before a movie, and therefore were designed to entertain multiple age demographics.</p>
<p>I think one thing that needs to happen is some discernment between “age appropriate” and “intellectual age” in animation. Just because a cartoon is appropriate for a 6 year old to watch, does not mean the content’s intellectual level needs to be that of a 6 year old. There is a big difference between “intelligent humor” and “adult humor,” and I am afraid somewhere along the line that has been forgotten. </p>
<p>If I may be so bold, I will credit the success of shows like SpongeBob and Fairly Odd Parents to the fact that they are among the few animated kids shows left on television that employ this technique. They are shows that parents can enjoy watching with their children, because they can get some level of intellectual stimulation out of the shows. In fact, with FOP, some of the marital humor and banter between Cosmo and Wanda, (which I have heard a few people give the show some flack over) is one of the things that I have heard parents positively commenting on. Essentially, they state that they are surprised that jokes they can enjoy are found in a kid’s shows.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://archives.frederatorblogs.com/channel_frederator/2007/06/20/modern-kids-and-tv/#comment-1986</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elliot, don't assume that all children are drones who "will watch whatever we tell them to."  They're human beings.  And I hope to God that they'd have enough sense/free will to turn the channel if they don't like what they're watching.  (Or better yet, turn the TV off altogether.)  If not, well...yikes.  That's a truly frightening thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elliot, don&#8217;t assume that all children are drones who &#8220;will watch whatever we tell them to.&#8221;  They&#8217;re human beings.  And I hope to God that they&#8217;d have enough sense/free will to turn the channel if they don&#8217;t like what they&#8217;re watching.  (Or better yet, turn the TV off altogether.)  If not, well&#8230;yikes.  That&#8217;s a truly frightening thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Homan</title>
		<link>http://archives.frederatorblogs.com/channel_frederator/2007/06/20/modern-kids-and-tv/#comment-1974</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Homan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Mike. Just a slight correction. That was that week's top ten shows for kids, aged 6 to 11, not just limited to Nickelodeon. It just so happens eight of the slots are Nick's.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Mike. Just a slight correction. That was that week&#8217;s top ten shows for kids, aged 6 to 11, not just limited to Nickelodeon. It just so happens eight of the slots are Nick&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Fewmet</title>
		<link>http://archives.frederatorblogs.com/channel_frederator/2007/06/20/modern-kids-and-tv/#comment-1975</link>
		<dc:creator>Fewmet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. Too many cartoon producers try to be quirky. Which goes back to your comment about too little content that interests kids. Even shows that feature a kid character as the lead - like "My Gym Partner's A Monkey" - has failed to connect with a decent-sized audience...because none of the sensibilities in that show strike the right chords. When a writer forgets that your average kid has a brain AND a heart, that's when the crappy writing begins.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. Too many cartoon writers try to be "edgy" and wink-wink-aren't-we-clever? Which often translates into cruel humor that damages characters' appeal and turns viewers off.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. Too much vulgarity. Snot and farts and naked butts all over the place. Gets a little old, ya know?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. Noisy, mean and stupid does not necessarily equal funny. Kids figure that out eventually. Which is why Cosmo can't sell a T-shirt.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5. Awful art and worse animation. Flash can only carry a mediocre talent so far. But nonFlash-animated shows have problems too. Scribbly awfulness like Ed Edd and Eddy and Camp Lazlo makes you envy a blind man. And then there's the boring sameness. Wow Wow Wubbzy and Ying Yang Yo look almost exactly the same. About the only show where you see solid animation and great drawing is Spongebob. Which is I suppose why he still rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO:</p>
<p>1. Too many cartoon producers try to be quirky. Which goes back to your comment about too little content that interests kids. Even shows that feature a kid character as the lead - like &#8220;My Gym Partner&#8217;s A Monkey&#8221; - has failed to connect with a decent-sized audience&#8230;because none of the sensibilities in that show strike the right chords. When a writer forgets that your average kid has a brain AND a heart, that&#8217;s when the crappy writing begins.</p>
<p>2. Too many cartoon writers try to be &#8220;edgy&#8221; and wink-wink-aren&#8217;t-we-clever? Which often translates into cruel humor that damages characters&#8217; appeal and turns viewers off.</p>
<p>3. Too much vulgarity. Snot and farts and naked butts all over the place. Gets a little old, ya know?</p>
<p>4. Noisy, mean and stupid does not necessarily equal funny. Kids figure that out eventually. Which is why Cosmo can&#8217;t sell a T-shirt.</p>
<p>5. Awful art and worse animation. Flash can only carry a mediocre talent so far. But nonFlash-animated shows have problems too. Scribbly awfulness like Ed Edd and Eddy and Camp Lazlo makes you envy a blind man. And then there&#8217;s the boring sameness. Wow Wow Wubbzy and Ying Yang Yo look almost exactly the same. About the only show where you see solid animation and great drawing is Spongebob. Which is I suppose why he still rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Milo</title>
		<link>http://archives.frederatorblogs.com/channel_frederator/2007/06/20/modern-kids-and-tv/#comment-1976</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://archives.frederatorblogs.com/channel_frederator/2007/06/20/modern-kids-and-tv/#comment-1976</guid>
		<description>Right.. right! Sorry, I missed that. I'll fix the post to be correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right.. right! Sorry, I missed that. I&#8217;ll fix the post to be correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Floyd Bishop</title>
		<link>http://archives.frederatorblogs.com/channel_frederator/2007/06/20/modern-kids-and-tv/#comment-1977</link>
		<dc:creator>Floyd Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://archives.frederatorblogs.com/channel_frederator/2007/06/20/modern-kids-and-tv/#comment-1977</guid>
		<description>Something else is that in today's animation climate, the show has to be rock solid from the start. Characters, stories, and settings don't have any time to evolve. If the show doesn't do well on it's first season, it's canceled. I don't think the Simpsons could happen in today's television animation market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something else is that in today&#8217;s animation climate, the show has to be rock solid from the start. Characters, stories, and settings don&#8217;t have any time to evolve. If the show doesn&#8217;t do well on it&#8217;s first season, it&#8217;s canceled. I don&#8217;t think the Simpsons could happen in today&#8217;s television animation market.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeaux Janovsky</title>
		<link>http://archives.frederatorblogs.com/channel_frederator/2007/06/20/modern-kids-and-tv/#comment-1978</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeaux Janovsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"And then there's the boring sameness. Wow Wow Wubbzy and Ying Yang Yo look almost exactly the same."&lt;br /&gt;Can it be because both were created by Creator Bob Boyle? Call me kooky, but I think that's why they "look almost exactly the same."&lt;br /&gt;Spongebob is also clearly a mild derivitive of both Pee Wee Herman and Ren and Stimpy if both were shaken up, mixed together, and situated at the bottom of the sea, but I digress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And then there&#8217;s the boring sameness. Wow Wow Wubbzy and Ying Yang Yo look almost exactly the same.&#8221;<br />Can it be because both were created by Creator Bob Boyle? Call me kooky, but I think that&#8217;s why they &#8220;look almost exactly the same.&#8221;<br />Spongebob is also clearly a mild derivitive of both Pee Wee Herman and Ren and Stimpy if both were shaken up, mixed together, and situated at the bottom of the sea, but I digress.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex D.</title>
		<link>http://archives.frederatorblogs.com/channel_frederator/2007/06/20/modern-kids-and-tv/#comment-1979</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As often as they air Spongebob and FOPs, I barely noticed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don't think the targeted audience is aware of the causes of dwindling animation.&lt;br /&gt;I do know that the people who grew up watching Nick, along with geeks on the internet, miss the cartoons that aired on Nick like the ones you mentioned. But considering how those people are out of the network's demographic, there's not much they can do to help.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh well, there's always Nicktoons Network.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As often as they air Spongebob and FOPs, I barely noticed.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the targeted audience is aware of the causes of dwindling animation.<br />I do know that the people who grew up watching Nick, along with geeks on the internet, miss the cartoons that aired on Nick like the ones you mentioned. But considering how those people are out of the network&#8217;s demographic, there&#8217;s not much they can do to help.</p>
<p>Oh well, there&#8217;s always Nicktoons Network.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliot Cowan</title>
		<link>http://archives.frederatorblogs.com/channel_frederator/2007/06/20/modern-kids-and-tv/#comment-1980</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliot Cowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://archives.frederatorblogs.com/channel_frederator/2007/06/20/modern-kids-and-tv/#comment-1980</guid>
		<description>Fewmet - In general I agree with most of what you say.&lt;br /&gt;However, I don't believe that kids don't connect with these shows.&lt;br /&gt;Unfortunately, although children do have their favourites, they'll pretty much watch anything we stick in front of them - they really don't have much choice.&lt;br /&gt;It is the responsibility of creators to produce interesting and challenging content for kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fewmet - In general I agree with most of what you say.<br />However, I don&#8217;t believe that kids don&#8217;t connect with these shows.<br />Unfortunately, although children do have their favourites, they&#8217;ll pretty much watch anything we stick in front of them - they really don&#8217;t have much choice.<br />It is the responsibility of creators to produce interesting and challenging content for kids.</p>
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		<title>By: TV's Kyle</title>
		<link>http://archives.frederatorblogs.com/channel_frederator/2007/06/20/modern-kids-and-tv/#comment-1981</link>
		<dc:creator>TV's Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Too much focus on trends" sounds about right. I can't speak for kids, but speaking for myself, there isn't much on right now that has me excited. I'm no less excited about cartoons in general as I was when I was younger, but other than El Tigre, none of the new kids shows grab me the way they did in the 90s. I miss the sensibility of early Cartoon Network so much. Back when Dexter, Powerpuff Girls, Cow &#038; Chicken, and Johnny Bravo and a few others have become shows from their shorts and would air in blocks, often premiering on Friday nights. I loved those friday night. None of them are my favorite show in the world, but all of them were good, solid shows that I'd want to see. They seemed concerned only with being fun and original, and weren't relatability-tested into the ground.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You know what I'd like? A new cartoon animal (I'm getting sick of humans) with a strong personality that I'd proudly wear on a t-shirt. Anybody know of any?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Too much focus on trends&#8221; sounds about right. I can&#8217;t speak for kids, but speaking for myself, there isn&#8217;t much on right now that has me excited. I&#8217;m no less excited about cartoons in general as I was when I was younger, but other than El Tigre, none of the new kids shows grab me the way they did in the 90s. I miss the sensibility of early Cartoon Network so much. Back when Dexter, Powerpuff Girls, Cow &#038; Chicken, and Johnny Bravo and a few others have become shows from their shorts and would air in blocks, often premiering on Friday nights. I loved those friday night. None of them are my favorite show in the world, but all of them were good, solid shows that I&#8217;d want to see. They seemed concerned only with being fun and original, and weren&#8217;t relatability-tested into the ground.</p>
<p>You know what I&#8217;d like? A new cartoon animal (I&#8217;m getting sick of humans) with a strong personality that I&#8217;d proudly wear on a t-shirt. Anybody know of any?</p>
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